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Summer Signings ?? No Chance!

For those like me who have searched all the usual sites NewsNow/ToffeeWeb for any glimpses of a new signing, well after flying back from Orlando this morning and bumping into David Moyes & Paul Jewell on the plane, I asked him what if any signings would be made:

DM: "At present, none; I can't buy when I haven't been given any money."

I asked if we are selling to buy, again he answered, "If I haven't had any bids how can I sell?"

Finally I asked is there any chance Paul Jewell would consider taking Anichebe for a £1.00 a week, he just started laughing.

As he said earlier in the summer, don't listen to speculation. I for one won't now... even though I will still need my daily fix of searching /hoping for some good news.
Tommy Heske     Posted 30/06/2011 at 18:19:37   Comments (7)

Rodwell's Best Position

I was thinking that, knowing Moyes's position on strong defending, the answer to where to play Rodwell could well be to play him in a 1-4-3-2 as the sweeper.

Moyes says he could end up at the back so deploy him there where he could read and intercept the play and not give the ball away as he's a good passer.

Of course, whilst the defending side of this suggestion could appeal to Moyes, the attacking side of wing backs and two up front could scupper this idea. But knowing how strapped for cash we are (and all teams knowing we are 4-5-1), I think for us to progress we need to try something different.

Of course I don't know if the players could adapt to this idea...
Tony Cornmell     Posted 30/06/2011 at 03:04:24   Comments (21)

The moral high ground?

What has it come to, that we are linked with Craig Bellamy?

Libel laws forbid me from saying what I really feel about him, his attitude and general behaviour, as they're pretty strong and would include some naughty words.

I'm probably in the minority in taking the moral high ground, but I would refuse to support a team that he is part of. I really hope that we don't sign him, although to be fair my fishing would prosper and so would my blood pressure.

I'll be back at the end of his contract...


Jeremy Benson     Posted 29/06/2011 at 16:56:28   Comments (48)

Transfer Trash Talk #7

Before I get accused of playing Football Manager, I was thinking about how we could make some fresh additions to the squad, to keep things fresh and also get rid of some deadwood and one or two of our better so-called stars.

My thinking is, it would freshen the team up maybe put some drive back into Moyes and us fans with a new look to our side. We all know we have no money and Kenwright and the rest of the liars on our board aren't going to find or provide Moyes with funds. I have thought about who we can sell and who we can bring in that might rejuvanate us and we would only be spending what we have sold or less.

Sell/replacements
Yobo £3M ? It's pretty much a done deal now; a good player in his time but time to move him on as more mistakes were creeping into his game the last two seasons he was with us. Replacement: Shane Duffy.

Distin £2.5M ? Yes, he was one of our best performers last year but nearing 34 now and with Redknapp wanting him, I feel a deal like this is in the interests of the club and would go towards a slightly younger replacement, who for me would be Wes Brown.

Bilyaletdinov £7M ? It hasn't worked out at all with Bily; for me, he isn't up to the pysical nature and speed of the Premier League... maybe he should've been given more playing time in behind the striker but for me it's time now to cash in and £7M will probably be all we get for him. Replacement: Aiden McGeady, a possible swap for Bily, he would be ideal... McGeady isn't happy in Russia and Bily is well thought of there still, McGeady could thrive in the Prem with his pace.

Fellaini £20M ? I'm gutted to say this but I think it's inevitable he is going to go and with his contract running down too and, with his father always poking his nose in, it's time we got the best possible deal. For me, Barton and Parker would be superb replacements ? cracking in-your-face players, a type that we need and who would replace Screech well. For me, though, I would bring Barton in for the £3M that's reportedly what Newcastle want, and spend £10M on N'Zogbia, leaving that little bit extra to go towards the debt.

Yakubu £3.5M and Anichebe £2M ? I think the Yak's time is up and Moyes wants rid as quickly as possible, therefore freeing up Yak's wages and the fee would be good business for us. For me, Anichebe hasn't lived up to his potential and does not score enough goals... a few Prem teams may take a punt at that fee with Stoke most noticeably linked.

Replacements for Yak and Vic would be Hallam Hope from the youth team (after watching this kid, I think it's time we eased him into the team from the bench), with Vellios to appear more also after a few promising appearances.

But with the Yak money and Vic money coupled with the money already there from Pienaar and Vaughan, Defoe at £10M would be a perfect big-name striker for us with pace and a good goalscoring record par last season. It would also be the chance for him to resurrect his career with us and the national team.

These additions, coupled with a couple of loans ? maybe Bellamy and Wright Phillips? ... maybe Carew on a free as well, I feel would re-energise our squad and would give us pace and a new dimension. It's all feasible leaving some money towards debts and whatever else Bill uses it for.

So my side next season for us would look something like this:

Howard, Brown, Jags, Heitinga, Baines, N'Zogbia, Barton, Arteta, McGeady, Cahill, Defoe.
Subs: Mucha (if he stays), Neville, Coleman, Rodwell, Osman, Barkley, Saha. With maybe Carew also fighting to get in and a couple of loanees. I think that starting line-up would give us all a bit more belief and energise us for the coming season.

I welcome the responses. I'm only trying to think of what we can do for the season ahead as something needs to change and fast. COYB!


Stephen Leary     Posted 29/06/2011 at 15:14:41   Comments (26)

Transfer Trash Talk #6

Again we are getting closer to the start of the new season and all we have in the way of strengthening the squad are a few extensions on some of our younger players contracts.

No buying and no selling until 3 or 4 weeks before the season kicks off is the norm for Everton, with the new arrivals (if any), most probably starting on the bench and Moyes saying that he needs time to adapt and he doesn't want to use him too early... blah blah.

Of course you know this by know and of course it gets right up your nose that other clubs are pulling in quality players left right and centre. Today, it is rumoured that Liverpool will secure the services of last season's midfield sensation Charlie Adam.

That pisses me off, but not as much as the sale of a player that has been outstanding in the Norwegian Tippeligaen so far this year. Anthony Ujah, a 21-year-old Nigerian striker, was sold this morning from Lillestrøm to the German Bundesliga club Mainz for around 20 million kroner (about £1.7M). A striker that scored goals out of nothing and would have been a great supplement to our wanting strike force at Goodison.

I have heard about Bryan King, who supposedly is the Everton scout for the Norwegian market, and I wonder if he was even aware of this player... Yes, I know we are broke, but this lad could have been a gold mine for Everton, if you think about selling him on later.

I feel that with the resources we have at Everton, then the Norwegian Market is one that should be really under close scrutiny, and with Ole Gunnar Solskjær as Manager of Molde now, then I am quite sure he is in a weekly dialogue with Ferguson if good players appear there.

Maybe some work to do here?

Tony Cheek     Posted 28/06/2011 at 07:43:58   Comments (31)

Player Shortages

From about Christmas last season, we have forever moaned about the lack of a class forward or two and we all had thoughts of about a ?what if" scenario... yes, we had a 20-goal-a-season forward who turned our superiority into wins ? Hey, we could have finished in Top 4, we would possibly have reached Wembley again ?

But look closely at the squad: yes, we do need a forward or two, but we also need a cover centre-half, a Premier league quality cover at left back, a dominant defensive central midfielder, a quality wide man on the left. We were extremely fortunate last season to have Distin and Baines as virtual ever-presents, a major injury to either player would have given us substantial problems.

Please don?t give me the answer that the likes of Duffy, Garbutt, Barkley, Vellios, Baxter, and Gueye will all be coming through to the 1st team next season because they won't... We?d be lucky to have just one of them become a regular.

So where does that leave us? Well, with a conservative estimate, I?d guess we need at least £45M (forward ? £15M; centre-half ? £5M; left back ? £4M; central midfielder ? £10M, quality wide man ? £12M). Bill, as he always does, of course, will undoubtedly be working 24/7 to sell Yobo and Yakubu and give David Moyes £8M from their sales. Well, that leaves a shortfall of about £35M.

How do we generate this amount of money? Well, first and foremost, I?d sell Fellaini for about £20M; not because I don?t like him, when in fact I believe he will become an outstanding central midfielder, but because I believe he intends to do a Pienaar and leave us for a paltry £5m in 18 months.

All leading clubs have to sell their main assets, we are no different. I?d also sell Rodwell for £12m; once again, not because I don?t like him but because he?s now become completely lost ? he?s neither a centre half (he loves the ball too much to be an English centre-half) nor is he a central midfielder (he lacks vision, energy, speed and drive). I feel sorry for the lad as, 15 months ago, he was the country?s new find, on a par with Jack Wilshere, captain of the U21s at 19 etc etc... now he?s on both Everton?s and England U21?s sub's bench.

Unfortunately life is cruel; even though we have nearly found our £35M, we have lost two fine young players and, on top of the shortage of 5-6 players originally, we now need another one at least, with no money. Bring in the Loans...
Mike Oates     Posted 27/06/2011 at 21:53:15   Comments (26)

Another disappointing season

I?ve just seen the latest Premier League table on Ceefax and it looks like we?ve had another disappointing season.

Looking at the ?goals against? column ? with no goals conceded for the entire season, we?ve clearly tightened up the defence. But, yet again, Moyes?s tendency to send out teams with a defensive, negative attitude is reflected in the fact that we scored NO goals at all!!! When is he going to realise that you will never win anything by drawing every game 0-0??? Yet again, the failure to sign a 20-goal-a-season striker has come back to bite us... Will he never learn?

I know some of you out there will point out that we finished above Liverpool and both Manchester clubs but look at the teams who finished above us ? Bolton and Blackburn FFS ? surely we?re better than that. Remember our motto.

Out of interest, I?m sure those Villa fans mouthing off against the appointment of Alex McLeish will be looking a little shame-faced now that he?s got them up to 2nd place and a Champion league slot. And is it just a co-incidence that the three teams beginning with W are occupying the relegation places ? just like the teams last season?

Anyway here?s looking forward to season 2012-13... and some bloody goals!

Rob Williamson     Posted 26/06/2011 at 16:53:47   Comments (21)

Neville?s Positive Attitude

You?ve got to take your hat off to the lad ? he?s right, we did finish strongly & performed against the top teams which has been our downfall in recent seasons. We are all frustrated with the board knowing we need some key investment in the team eg, a winger & striker(s), knowing that some dead wood will need to be shifted to free up the wages but I think we do all get bogged down with the politics.

We?ve got some great kids coming through on the horizon in Barkley & Hope & our youth system seems to be producing which is vital for us but it?s the immediate shortfalls in our squad that we just don?t seem to have the capacity to fulfill.

When you?ve got the likes of Stoke commanding far superior speculation (£15M for Scott Dan) to us, it does worry you. Sunderland have sold £40M+ & Newcastle £35M so their spending power will reflect in the market... Even promoted teams seem stronger financially than us.

I don?t want to sell Rodwell but we seem to be in that predicament where we have to, just to fill gaping holes in our first team. I hope we find a way to fund the N'Zogbia bid and a decent striker without selling a key asset.

I think the lack of a clear strategy & plan for dealing with the forthcoming season is killing any enthusiasm & positive outlook for most Evertonians. This could however be reversed with some decisive & concise action one way or another in the transfer market, with the board stepping up to deliver some funds & stop hiding behind Moyes like a pathetic frightened child...

Alex Buckley     Posted 26/06/2011 at 00:23:04   Comments (37)

Does playing count for anything?

Got into yet another heated debate last night when I pointed out to a number football followers in the Freshy (albeit of RS persuasion!) that it now appears that to succeed as a manager you no longer need to have played the game at senior level!

I based that assertion on the fact that no less than FOUR leading managers of recent times certainly `had no medals` to show the boys! Both Mourinho and Chelsea new man, ABV, were Robson apprentices (merely interpreters, some say!) whilst Wenger gave up playing at 20 and Sven was said to be an embarrassment in shorts ? and later without them!

"How could any theorist have the understanding of a Kenny D?" I was asked ? and whilst my reply was a little inflammatory, it`s a difficult one to answer.

So what do my fellow contributors feel on the issue? Could someone who has not played the game at senior level be the surprise successor to Moyes and have any hope of bringing that glory we all crave for?

Richard Dodd     Posted 25/06/2011 at 15:11:57   Comments (28)

The Curious Case of Eric Dier... among others

I have spent many a summer browsing the web and back pages of the tabloids hoping Everton were to sign the next super star, but have long given up hope of landing pretty much anyone of note many seasons ago. This article is really to create discussion around our transfer policy or lack thereof. I know this topic has probably been debated far and wide, but here goes....

In January of this year, Everton landed the highly thought of talent, Eric Dier, who by all accounts has shown great potential, scoring against Liverpool in the U-18s. However, this appeared to be a short-term loan, and he didn't ever make the first team squad. I presume for a 17-year-old he is on a fair whack (I'm not talking mega monies), and this led me to think what was the point of bringing him to Everton? I'm all for getting the brightest young talents at Goodison Park, but with Sporting demanding roughly £10M, I'm not sure where we can go with this (a tribunal would probably lower that fee significantly).

The same has to be said of Joao Silva; I know he has been debated across many forums but, if the lad is homesick or not up to the grade, surely the £700k we spent on him would have been better spent elsewhere? Do we blame the scouts?

Obviously these transfers have an impact on what we do elsewhere (no matter how small the fee), and I can't help but think of the missed opportunities with Kenwright and the attempts (3??) to sign Moutinho. He was Moyes's No 1 target for many a season, and stated his desire to come more than once also. I know we had central midfielders but he ended up joing Porto for £8M. He is now being touted to join Chelsea for £35M, the price in his contract.

We just simply cant afford to keep missing out on targets like we do, and apparently waste money on developing youngsters who don't cut the grade in the first place.. Harsh but true, no? Jutkiewicz, Spencer, Turner, Agard to name a few... Don't get me wrong ? I'm all for developing the new crop of players to come through, but something doesn't add up somewhere...
Martin  Graves     Posted 24/06/2011 at 13:58:42   Comments (30)

Would you if you could?

I?m sure many of you have noticed tonight?s Euro Millions jackpot is £105 million, and I?m sure more of you will go out and buy a ticket ? I know I will.

My question to you is ? if you won the jackpot, would you ?invest? any into Everton?

Personally I would look to wipe the club's debt so the club could start again with a clean slate and all the current interest repayments could go towards the squad. As a condition, I would ask Mr Kenwright to step aside as Chairman; however, if I?m honest, I would still ?invest? the money regardless ? I just want to see the glory days of the 80s which I missed.

So... would you if you could?

NSNO

Andy Callen     Posted 24/06/2011 at 12:16:39   Comments (30)

The Best Things In Life Are Free!

.....that is, if you are Evertonian.

In all seriousness, we have to accept that we are skint and unless we sell either one of our 'stars' or sell our collective of 'misfits' (which seems unlikely, due to the lack of quality and interest) then we are gonna have to seriously considers one, a couple or a few of the available free transfers.

Now from the ones available, I would seriously have to consider the fact that the will all be squad players and as we have an horrific seasonal injury issue to deal with.

John Carew - Always a handful and would take the pressure off Beckford (Still bedding into the league) Saha (Constantly injured) and Vic (Hmmmm!)

Lee Bowyer - I know, I know but he could be a benchwarmer with the experience and bite we could use if needed over a long season and has been one of the best players in a Brum squad.

Matthew Upson - We NEED another centre half. Would be a great free transfer.

I am still surprised that we didn't go for Seb Larsson too as he would have provided decent cover on the wing.

Obviously I would prefer to stay clear of this route, however, until we sort the cash out, I really don't see another option.
Anthony Jaras     Posted 23/06/2011 at 15:25:28   Comments (35)

Defence-minded

First things first. I have often posted on this site in defence of Davey Moyes and his ability to build a squad with little or no cash and still be relatively sure of a top half finish (most seasons anyway).

However, the article on the OS caught my eye today regarding Seamus Coleman and quotes attributed to Moyes...

There are 2 quotes that caught my eye: ?There will be a little bit of a change over next season as we will look to move him a bit further back and maybe he can develop into a right back.?

Why does Davey feel the need to see if Coleman can develop into a right back, when he?s capable on the right side of midfield? Surely the forward berth is just as valuable as the right back role, so why not continue to develop him in this position instead of looking to move him further back.

This is similar to Jack Rodwell. Why does he need to become a central defender, when he has ability in the middle of the park? Arteta playing deep as another example. Why is the emphasis always on defence?

The second stand out quote from the article was: ?sometimes there are things about Seamus when you can see why he was a £60,000 player and then there are other times you will look at him and say that is great business?

FFS Davey, I think you need to go back to motivational school, as I am dam sure those kind of quotes should be kept behind close doors and won?t help the lads mindset. Don?t get me wrong, I?m not saying tell him he?s golden, but FFS he?s far removed from the 60K player that was brought over from Ireland.

Anyway, I?m off now to tell some of my subordinates that they?re shit.
Liam Reilly     Posted 23/06/2011 at 13:38:00   Comments (23)

Tim Cahill takes on the Defence

I am in the Australian Army and an Everton tragic. When Tim Cahill was in Sydney recently conducting his football clinics, I managed to get in touch with his management through a mate of mine and arrange for him to assume the role of Honorary Patron of Australian Defence Force Football.

The story and photos link is at the Aussie FourFourTwo website.

He was such a genuine bloke who gave more time than he had available. A great advert for all the things that remain good about football.

Tony Anetts     Posted 23/06/2011 at 12:21:58   Comments (9)

Psychology of Everton

Here's one way to cure our early season wows: why don't the team say "Bollox to all this pre-season training and singing Karaoke in American bars... Let's have a good old Christmas party along with fancy dress, turkey, Christmas pud and exotic dancers in AUGUST?"

That might just guarantee that they start playing to potential at the start of the season! I bet they won't find that idea in the training manual!

And hows about Moyesie only having 16 players to choose from? ? that would help too... and what about the players pretending they are playing Man City EVERY week? Home and away. Everton must be a sports psychologist's wet dream.
Col Wills     Posted 22/06/2011 at 13:37:05   Comments (12)

Striker? No, a midfielder

Demba Ba, Boothroyd, etc... Why are we looking at forwards when a blind man can see we need a ball-winning midfielder? The above mentioned are clearly no better than the Yak.

We need a player who can sit in front of the back four, who can win the ball for the attacking midfielders and also protect our defence.

Fellaini is not the answer: too slow, cannot tackle. Rodwell? From a centre-half to a box-to-box midfielder...??? I feel a bit sorry for the lad but he could be the answer.

It was there for all to see, when Neville played in that position at the back end of the season... so, in my opinion, this is our problem area; and ? if we can sort it ? I'm telling you, we will be right up there.

COYB

Colin Malone     Posted 22/06/2011 at 09:53:09   Comments (44)

Transfer Trash Talk #5

So in my eyes Villa-Boas's arrival at Chelsea is likely to spell the end of Daniel Sturridge's first team chances there. With Torres a certain starter, Drogba and Anelka still there and Villa-Boas very likely to bring in Falcao or Neymar or both that doesn't leave alot of space for Sturridge. I think Moyes should make his loan signing a priority.

He was comfortably England's best player at the U21-Euros (not saying much); has pace, skill, strength and most importantly the ability to score a goal out of nothing. A trait we could desperately have done with last year.

If we can get him on loan, with Chelsea paying part of his wages, then hopefully, when he is forced to admit that he is unlikely to get guaranteed first team action at Chelsea, we will be his first choice.

The only downside would be that if he does really well with us this season that Chelsea might not let him go. But if the downside is us getting a 15-20 goal man this season then I'm happy.

The upside is that we could get one of the best young English strikers around to form a brilliant strike duo with Hallam Hope in 3 or 4 years time.
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Sam Hoare     Posted 22/06/2011 at 09:30:40   Comments (47)

Everton Summer Con - Deja Vu...

Just come back from two weeks in Tenerife, avoided papers, no Internet ? fully refreshed.

Thought I'd check on all the cheery news about all of the activity regarding my Blue Boys. Guess what.... nothing happening!

Can't sell Yobo or Yak, Bily still on the books. Fellaini thinks we're sub-standard, £20 mill for Rodwell (haha) not happening, a sheep we were going to get for free decides the Tyne is a better area to live... and we are in for Wes Brown!!!!

I know Kenwright is into show business so he should be aware that serving the same old repeats summer after summer is not the way to entertain your audience. Please don't wait until the last day of the transfer window to get rid of the dross and bring some new blood in. Otherwise the fans' loyalty slowly ebb away... Please Give us some HOPE.

Don't feel so refreshed now, might need to go and watch the RS in their Blue strip....
Bob Skelton     Posted 21/06/2011 at 15:00:03   Comments (7)

Progress!! (??)

I was on the SkySports website and had a little fun in doing the Missing Men game ( http://www.skysports.com/fun_games/missingmen/0,20922,15154_6722101,00.html ). The games are obviously only Premier League era (up to 2005), but I noticed just how much better off we are as a team/squad compared to these games.

If you look at the team that Moyes took over in 2002 it has improved by 2005; and comparing that to the current squad we are in a far improved position. Just how many players from these teams would get into the cuurent set up? In getting to where we are Moyes has spent £106,050,500 ( http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2003-2011.html ) in total. That works out at £10 million per season average.

There has been a clamour for a change in management at our club, but is there another manager around who can do as good a job? Looking at the spending of other clubs I'd suggest not. £ for £ we have done better than every club in this era and that is down to David Moyes. Unless the financial situation of the club changes we will at most have around £10 million to spend (if the right players are sold). I personally believe that Moyes will spend that wisely and we will have an improved squad for next year.

I feel that Moyes will turn this underperforming (??) squad around during the summer and add a couple of useful signings. I think we'll get the much needed good start and really have a push towards Champions League football next year.

So enough of this pessimism and complaining. Let's inject some entusiasm into proceedings and look forward to a bright (royal) blue future!!! Who's with me?

(Or if not, then have a go at the game on Sky anyway. It's good fun and some of them are quite a challenge.)
Kevin Lucas     Posted 21/06/2011 at 02:16:01   Comments (46)

Sub-top Yourself

Well, well, well..... It seems that Coco the Clown (aka Fellaini) finally wants out, as he doesn't think we're good enough for him...

I personally think he's got a cheek and considering he's not much good, he'll struggle to find regular first team footie at a team in the top 6 of the Premier League.

I'd like to know that stats on how we've performed without this liability ? let's face it, our best runs in the previous 2 seasons have been when he's been injured.

Twice can't be a coincidence, can it?

He won't be missed as we've already proved (twice) and I reckon getting our money back for this clown would be a result.
Andy Callan     Posted 19/06/2011 at 22:27:42   Comments (104)

Superstars

My frustration has already gotten the better of me this close season, and I really need to vent!

I read today about Fellaini wanting Champions League football. This is on the back of my reading that Demba Ba has signed for Newcastle.

Now, I am well aware of fans' grievances with the board and the lack of "investment". However, given that the financial situation at the club is what it is and shows no immedaite sign of changing, I would like to make a couple of points related to our squad.

We desperately need strikers. Though we have a couple of younger lads with promise, and Beckford will certainly score a few next season, without a stand-out centre forward or two, we will struglle to match 7th next season. This is obvious, I know. But this is why not pulling out all of the stops for Ba is so frustrating. To compound this issue, which is said to be related to a big salary and signing on fee, we are now linked to... Wes Brown! Yes, that's right Wes Brown, the prolific right back! For £3million, reportedly.

At Newcastle, Ba will be on no more than Arteta, and he required no transfer fee. You might say he is injury prone, but is he more so than Saha, who is on a big salary himself? I like Saha, but as Everton manager I would have offloaded him for Ba in a heartbeat. Ba is a potential superstar. He will do well at Newcastle.

Please, before the Moyes versus Kenwright battle begins, be aware that I am neither categorically. I would just love to see us take a few risks on attacking players in the transfer market.
Anthony Jones     Posted 19/06/2011 at 17:14:31   Comments (25)

Wes Brown Testimonial

I could see the point of Phil Neville when he came down the road but if the press reports of Wes Brown turning up for £3m, or even on a free, are true when we're supposedly so strapped for cash then serious questions will have to be asked of both Moyes (for buying) and Kenwright (for sanctioning the deal).

'He would 'prefer a move to Everton' ? I'd prefer to win the fucking Lottery. If a precious £3m is to be pissed away on that hapless, over-the-hill tosser to give him one last payday, Everton will have lost a fair slice of self-respect in my book.
Guy Hastings     Posted 19/06/2011 at 11:28:43   Comments (21)

In the summertime

I remember this time last year being really frustrated when the season finished. The summer was spent in a restless state constantly checking the various online media for any news on new signings in the summer. I even posted on here that we had a fighting chance of a Champions League spot last July. How differently things turned out and now last summer?s attitude looking back seems a hopelessly naive one.

I see already the comments from Johnny Heitinga and Marouane Fellaini about their frustrations and their desire to play Champions League football and I hope we don?t have another summer of endless fruitless negotiations with these two to stay.

If they want to leave then so be it. I hope DM can be decisive and simply cash in on these two if their press comments are proved to be accurate. That way the money can then be re-invested into the squad whilst there is still time.

But whatever happens I won?t be sticking my neck out and predicting Champions League football next season. All I hope is that we can start off nice and positive and not have to play catch-up in the second half of the season. Oh, and please please please ? if we lose in the FA Cup god pray it won?t be to a lower league club. That's the sum total of my hopes for the next season, all else will be a bonus...

Now i am off to check the online portals again....... here is hoping for some nice summer bargains.
Alun Jones     Posted 19/06/2011 at 03:59:25   Comments (25)

Kenwright's Scouting Fees?

Just read a rumour on GOT that Blue Bill has been paid £250,000 in scouting fees in our last set of accounts?

Not sure if anybody has proven this to be the case or it's merely a rumour.

If true it shows his claims of "never taking a penny out the club" to be, much like the matchday company he keeps, a bit dodgy.

Stephen Kenny     Posted 17/06/2011 at 15:16:14   Comments (41)

Fixtures 2011-12

Fixtures
Saturday, 13 August 2011 Tottenham v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 20 August 2011 Everton v QPR, 15:00
Saturday, 27 August 2011 Blackburn v Everton, 15:00

Saturday, 10 September 2011 Everton v Aston Villa, 15:00
Saturday, 17 September 2011 Everton v Wigan, 15:00
Saturday, 24 September 2011 Man City v Everton, 15:00

Saturday, 1 October 2011 Everton v Liverpool, 15:00
Saturday, 15 October 2011 Chelsea v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 22 October 2011 Fulham v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 29 October 2011 Everton v Man Utd, 15:00

Saturday, 5 November 2011Newcastle v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 19 November 2011 Everton v Wolverhampton, 15:00
Saturday, 26 November 2011 Bolton v Everton, 15:00

Saturday, 3 December 2011 Everton v Stoke, 15:00
Saturday, 10 December 2011 Arsenal v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 17 December 2011 Everton v Norwich, 15:00
Wednesday, 21 December 2011 Everton v Swansea, 19:45
Monday, 26 December 2011 Sunderland v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 31 December 2011 West Brom v Everton, 15:00

Monday, 2 January 2012 Everton v Bolton, 15:00
Saturday, 14 January 2012 Aston Villa v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 21 January 2012 Everton v Blackburn, 15:00

Wednesday, 1 February 2012 Everton v Man City, 19:45
Saturday, 4 February 2012Wigan v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 11 February 2012 Everton v Chelsea, 15:00
Saturday, 25 February 2012 Liverpool v Everton, 15:00

Saturday, 3 March 2012 QPR v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 10 March 2012 Everton v Tottenham, 15:00
Saturday, 17 March 2012 Everton v Arsenal, 15:00
Saturday, 24 March 2012 Swansea v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 31 March 2012 Everton v West Brom, 15:00

Saturday, 7 April 2012 Norwich v Everton, 15:00
Monday, 9 April 2012 Everton v Sunderland, 15:00
Saturday, 14 April 2012 Stoke v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 21 April 2012 Man Utd v Everton, 15:00
Saturday, 28 April 2012 Everton v Fulham, 15:00

Saturday, 5 May 2012 Wolverhampton v Everton, 15:00
Sunday, 13 May 2012 Everton v Newcastle, 15:00

Tough months in October and February, decent enough start and finish in my eyes...


David Moore     Posted 17/06/2011 at 09:37:11   Comments (12)

Start Praying and saving your pennies

What you doing in May 2013?

Me, well I am about to get my big Bells bottle out the spare room and start saving my pennies and pounds in the off chance that Everton make it to the Champions League final to be held at Wembely for the second time in 2 years to mark the FA's 150th birthday!!

Now the only thing in the way is for Bill Kenwright to pull his finger out, sell the club, and the new owners to splash the cash so David Moyes can put together the sort of team we need to get us first in the top 4 next year and then into the final the year after!!...

Oh well we can all dream!!!!
Simon Smith     Posted 16/06/2011 at 21:09:14   Comments (27)

Euro Under-21s, Part 1

I say Part 1 because it's anyone's guess how England will play on Sunday and if they come home early or move into the next stage.

My point is about Jack Rodwell however. When he came on as sub on Sunday, I thought he did quite well... but last night, Pearce played him in a more attacking role that he didn't look suited to and he had in all honesty 'a bit of a mare'.

On a positive note however, unless he has a change of fortunes (which I doubt, as I can see a return to the bench for Sunday), then he will surely be an Everton player next season, as his number of suitors will surely diminish.

I for one would be very pleased with this outcome as I still have a great deal of faith in the lad and firmly believe he will prove his true potential, hopefully at Everton.

And finally on a further positive note: Jordan Henderson will be a Red next season.

Liam Reilly     Posted 16/06/2011 at 10:54:45   Comments (42)

Best Things in Life are Free (Agents)

Far too much time on my hands... so here is something to pass the time: select the best "Free Agent XI"; All the players listed are now out of contract and available for free ? so who would make your free team? All info listed at givemefootball.com/pfa-transfer-list

Jeremie Aliadiere
Nationality: French
Position: Centre Forward
Age: 28

Giles Barnes
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Forward
West Bromwich Albion FC
Age: 22

Jay Bothroyd
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Forward
Cardiff City FC
Age: 29

Lee Bowyer
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Midfield
Right Midfield
Birmingham City FC
Age: 34

Michael Brown
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Midfield
Portsmouth FC
Age: 34

Stephen Caldwell
Nationality: Scottish
Position: Centre Back
Wigan Athletic FC
Age: 30

Sol Campbell
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Back
Newcastle United FC
Age: 36

John Carew
Nationality: Norwegian
Position: Centre Forward
Aston Villa FC
Age: 31

David Carney
Nationality: Australian
Position: Left Back
Blackpool FC
Age: 27

Lee Carsley
Nationality: Irish
Position: Centre Midfield
Coventry City FC
Age: 37

Pascal Chimbonda
Nationality: French
Position: Right Back
Queens Park Rangers FC
Age: 32

Kieron Dyer
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Midfield
West Ham United FC
Age: 32

Abdoulaye Faye
Nationality: Senegalese
Position: Centre Back
Stoke City FC
Age: 33

Daniel Gabbidon
Nationality: Welsh
Position: Centre Back
West Ham United FC
Age: 31

Ricardo Gardner
Nationality: Jamaican
Position: Left Back
Bolton Wanderers FC
Age: 32

Eidur Gudjohnsen
Nationality: Icelandic
Position: Centre Forward
Stoke City FC
Age: 32

Marcus Hahnemann
Nationality: American
Position: Goalkeeper
Wolverhampton Wanderers FC
Age: 38

Lars Jacobsen
Nationality: Danish
Position: Right Back
West Ham United FC
Age: 31

Diomansy Kamara
Nationality: Senegalese
Position: Centre Forward
Fulham FC
Age: 30

Jason Koumas
Nationality: Welsh
Position: Centre Midfield
Wigan Athletic FC
Age: 31

Sebastian Larsson
Nationality: Swedish
Position: Right Midfield
Birmingham City FC
Age: 26

J Lloyd Samuel
Nationality: English
Position:Left Back
Bolton Wanderers FC
Age: 30

Benedict McCarthy
Nationality: South African
Position: Centre Forward
West Ham United FC
Age: 33

Abdoulaye Meite
Nationality: Ivory Coast
Position:Centre Back
West Bromwich Albion FC
Age: 30

John Pantsil
Nationality: Ghanian
Position: Right Back
Fulham FC
Age: 29

Kevin Phillips
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Forward
Birmingham City FC
Age: 35

Robert Pires
Nationality: French
Position: Centre Midfield
Left Midfield
Aston Villa FC
Age: 37

Paul Rachubka
Nationality: American
Position: Goalkeeper
Blackpool FC
Age: 30

Andrew Reid
Nationality: Irish
Position: Left Midfield
Blackpool FC
Age: 28

Nigel Reo-Coker
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Midfield
Aston Villa FC
Age: 27

Ibrahima Sonko
Nationality: Senegalese
Position: Centre Back
Stoke City FC
Age: 30

Jonathan Spector
Nationality: American
Position: Right Back
West Ham United FC
Age: 25

Maik Taylor
Nationality: Northern Irish
Position: Goalkeeper
Birmingham City FC
Age: 39

Matthew Upson
Nationality: English
Position: Centre Back
West Ham United FC
Age: 32


Si Harwood     Posted 14/06/2011 at 13:48:49   Comments (76)

Duncan Ferguson, Everton Manager

Just read that Big Dunc is doing his coaching badges.

So If Moyes ever left in a few years how would you feel about Big Dunc being an Everton manager (even though I think Phil Neville is our guaranteed next manager)?
Charlie Percival     Posted 14/06/2011 at 02:47:40   Comments (34)

Can We Complain?

I was looking at the listings (from Deloitte I think) regarding the state of football finance.

Everton seem to have around the eighth highest turnover and spend a bit more than most (in percentage terms) on player wages.

Without keeping the exact figures we seem to finish somewhere in line with our expenditure and this leads me to ask the following:-

Does Kenwright ensure we spend on the team a good amount compared to earnings?

Does DM work miracles or does he just finish where his team should expect to related to expenditure?


Rob Hollis     Posted 13/06/2011 at 21:27:26   Comments (35)

What is really happening?

We have all heard the rumours over the last few weeks and months, about players coming and going and takeovers. Well maybe I can shed a bit of light into what's happening inside the walls of Goodison.

As of yesterday, I returned to Liverpool for the first ever time during the off season, as I'm only over for homes games as I'm a season ticket holder. A nice little week's break with the fiancee, I was lucky enough to bump into Michael Ball, our former left back.

We got chatting about all things Everton: about his time there, what his plans are for the future and chit-chatting about where the club is going. He was briefly training with us last season, he said, with a slight hope of gaining a deal but it hasn't materialised.

The most significant thing he said was when I asked him if he heard of any transfer goings-on, our takeover, etc ? what all of us are wanting to know. He said that he knows that there will be a few suprise signings this summer for us in terms of money being spent; he said he regularly speaks to Tony Hibbert and Leon Osman and that's the word coming from them as to what David Moyes told the squad before they broke up for the summer.

Now I don't know if this is fully true tho why would Michael Ball talk a loada crap to me for over 20 minutes? I for one am hoping this is true and Moyes has been told he has money to spend and maybe thats why some of the players we have been recently linked with, like Defour and N'Zogbia are true? Who knows... but I'm a bit happier now hearing it off someone who may know more than any of us do and any stupid rumour sites do. COYB!!
Stephen Leary     Posted 13/06/2011 at 20:39:18   Comments (39)

Getting in some quality

After seeing us linked with several players already but signing nobody as yet, not to mention the disappointment of recent close-seasons, it?s fair to see why many blues are negative about transfer activity at Goodison.

However, have we actually heard anything about the outcome of the ?chat with the chairman?? They?ve not come out and said that we have no budget, they?ve simply allowed us to judge based on the recent past and our inherent (justified IMHO) negativity.

In contrast, Tim Howard said in a recent interview that ?big players? were coming in and that the squad would be seeing some new faces. I have a feeling we may just be pleasantly surprised by who comes in through the doors. May not be marquee signings, but if we land any of N?zogbia, Canales, Ba, Djalo or Defour then I?d be very chuffed indeed.

We need striking reinforcements and a pacy replacement for Pienaar primarily though. It wouldn?t surprise me if we get any of the abovementioned, I believe they are all reasonably realistic. Moyes has a reputation for signing young players and developing them and although N?Zogbia and to a lesser extent Ba are proven Premiership players, the rest fit that description and are more realistic. For me, Klose was never on the radar (Moyes does not sign old players as a rule ? Distin and a few other exceptions).

I?m no apologist, nor a ?Doddy? (sorry Doddy, nothing personal mate ;), and am well aware of Moyes? limitations, but I for one am slightly optimistic that we will get some quality in. If we identify the correct signings and get them in, with what we already have, then next season could still be one to remember (okay, the happy pills are wearing off now...)

David Gallant     Posted 13/06/2011 at 14:54:52   Comments (13)

Villa-bound Moyes?

The rumours will not go away. My mates who are Villa fans are convinced not only that he is the right man to bring glory days back to their club, but staggeringly that a deal has in fact been done. With the managerial ins and outs today, anything is possible.

One pal, who called the Darren Bent signing before it happened, reckons Lerner has a real hard on for Moyes and has been speaking to him since June 4th and this despite the bookies making McLeish odds on favourite for the hotseat at Villa park.

Personnally I honestly couldn't understand it if DM left us for that lot, money to spend or not. I would see that more of a failure on his part that he hasn't delivered in 10 years at the club, rather than excuses to lack of resources. Perhaps its all just rumour mill garbage, but there is no denying Moyes' increasingly disinterested and resignated look on his face in the last few seasons.

So who do we get in to freshen things up and keep us moving forward? I think we need a new strategy, perhaps a foreign coach. Ranieri? Either way I foresee a major change ahead at Goodison...
Conor Waters     Posted 12/06/2011 at 19:40:06   Comments (60)

Transfer Trash Talk #4

Seems we are being linked with some fairly deent names in today's press and internet gossip coulmns ? Djalo, Defour & N'Zogbia? I know gossip is not worth the paper on cyberspace it is written on but it's the first of the above 3 players I'd be most excited to see.

Seen him play about 5 times now. He can play right wing left wing or up front - fast and excellent goal scoring record. A random but interesting quote from Spurs Danny Rose when talking about Portuguese players says: ?They had some real stars out there and Yannick Djalo is off to Arsenal or Everton or so I heard".

Reports in Belgium say its between Everton and Spartak Moscow that Defour will choose between while a few sources are saying Moyes will enter the running for Nzogbia who is definitely leaving Wigan. I'd be happy with anyone of those 3 as an improvement to what we have but do hope there is some truth in the Djalo rumours.

And, yes I know Everton have no money before you tell me so, but maybe Moyes has already decided who to sell and the strength of these stories are based upon forthcoming sales(s)?
John Crook     Posted 10/06/2011 at 20:16:57   Comments (53)

Did Moyes get money from Kenwright?

I have been looking to find out what happened at the meeting the week after the Chelsea game. Moyes said that he would be seeking to find out how much (or little) money he would get from Kenwright. He talked about a meeting between him and Kenwright.

What I and every other Everton F.C. supporter would like to know is this: What can we expect when we look at all the links to 20 different players. And if we do not have any money what will Moyes be doing to get them, which first team player will be sold? (except Yakubu and Yobo)

The answer to this question will set the stage for players like Heitinga and Arteta to leave because there is no progress, and they want to be among the best, not the rest...
Jimmy Sorheim     Posted 09/06/2011 at 15:07:31   Comments (42)

Vote for Jill and Seamus!

Someone at work has just forwarded me this link:

Seamus Coleman is up for this breakthrough player award. Not sure how prestigous the award is ... but its tough competition.

Nevertheless we Evertonians are usually pretty good at voting in numbers when one of our our own is in the running so I thought I'd post this link.

Jill Scott who plays for Everton and England Ladies is also on there. Get a vote in for Jill, too. Jess can have it next year when she cleans up in London.
Mark Stone     Posted 09/06/2011 at 15:08:23   Comments (4)

Show him the door.

According to Goal.com (accordingly I will wait to see if it's true!) Heitinga is threatening to leave the club due to the lack of European football and he suggests he could move elsewhere in order to find it during the summer.

' Now apart from the fact that I can readily recall a few instances of inept play and cowardice in the challenge on his part last season which at least in two cases led directly to goals conceded and that therefore he is at least in part responsible for our shortfall, if this turns out to be true then I think the club should show this prick the door.

Somehow I don't think there will be a long queue of 'big' clubs waiting for his signature on a contract.

Dave Roberts     Posted 09/06/2011 at 08:52:46   Comments (32)

Our Jack

On my lunch break just saw that United have all but sealed the deal with Blackburn prodigy Phil Jones. Personally, I see similarities in him with our own ?wonderkid? Jack Rodwell- Jones can play in midfield, and did so towards the end of last year, however has been placed at centre back this year alongside Chris Samba and looks to be, dare I say it, twice the player of our Jack.

My question is, with United linked to Rodwell should we be happy that we seem to have kept hold of our most promising youngster or not?

Personally I wouldn?t have minded if Rodwell left, Moyes doesn?t seem to know what his best position is, he?s had a few niggling injuries and his development seems to have stalled.

However, if Jack is still here at the start of the season I would like to see him starting at centre-back alongside jagielka, as I believe he will turn out to be a great intelligent centre back allowing us to play out from the back. I also believe this will bring out the best in jags who can?t help but put his foot through the ball and is ?a great recovery defender? according to the gaffer, so let him be the covering defender, and let jack be our ball-playing defender.


Tom Curtis     Posted 08/06/2011 at 13:16:50   Comments (60)

Everton in Detroit

The US men's national team played a Gold Cup match in Detroit last night. I was interested to go to see Tim Howard and Landon Donovan - but to also gauge just how popular football is in Motown.

Prior to the match, and despite this only being the 2nd time since 1994 that a big game has been played in Detroit, the press gave nearly no coverage. A respectable 28,000 turned up to see an elastic Howard and a fizzing Donovan beat Canada.

What surprised me the most about this game, and a lot is made of the marketing potential of Howard (and LD) for Everton is that I counted 5 Everton shirts mingling in the crowd - more than anyone bar Barcelona - pretty impressive for a footballing tundra no?
Ed Bottomley     Posted 08/06/2011 at 05:11:50   Comments (8)

Weir? Please No!

Just read it's rumored David Weir is being considered as a coach for Everton.

The last thing we need is a guy who learned his trade under Walter Smith, Moyes, and Alex McLeish - defense first, men behind the ball, et al.

Are we ever going to get an attack minded coach?

Please don't bring Weir back, please....
Jamie Crowley     Posted 07/06/2011 at 22:59:46   Comments (29)

Has Moyes finally worked out pre-season friendlies?

With the visit of Villarreal announced last week a trip to Birmingham has now been announced as part of our pre season preparations.

Much more competetive teams than recent seasons have offered.

I know there is American opposition and Bury early doors, but as the season gets closer we need to play some decent opposition.


Craig Taylor     Posted 06/06/2011 at 10:51:25   Comments (41)

BIlyaletdinov And Next Season

This lad obviously has some talent otherwise Moyes would not have bought him. He is a very classy player, likes to put his foot on the ball and look up, and that?s great if he wasn?t playing on the wing. During the build up to an attack, you want quick passing that penetrates the back four. Not someone putting their foot on the ball and getting closed down.

In my opinion he is not a winger, he is an attacking midfielder, he is very skilful and he has venomous shot on him. This was displayed in his two goals this season, the one against West Ham he was in the centre of the pitch and it was a good strike on the half volley. The spectacular finish against Wolves was again him running him in the centre of the park, and look what happened.

I think as Tim Cahill is getting older and can play fewer games due to injury or fatigue, we should try Billy in the ?Cahill role? as it is now known as. He is half decent in the air as well. I think Moyes needs to release the new Everton as the old lion hearts edge closer to the end of their careers we should look to play the youth more. Vellios looks like he has the potential to be as good as Big Dunc, I know this is a big shout already but he is tall, can head a ball well, holds the ball up well but he is skilful and has a bit of pace about him. There is also Magaye Gueye who is skilful, quick and very determined. His performance against villa this year made me think of Manuel Fernandes, he likes to take the game by the scruff of the neck and have a go. There is obviously Seamus and Jack, then Shane Duffy and Jose Baxter as well. There is also the lads who make it through the under 18 league winners who make it through. I don?t think we need many signings maybe a couple of free transfers and then maybe a loan move or two. It is just the fact of 1 more striker and a kitty of around £10 million I think with the clearance of Yobo, Yakubu which I think about £ 6/7 million for both, and then Vaughan going. Then one more may go. This is the season where Moyes needs the squad to step up and repay the faith he has put in them and the faith we put in them every week. The reception Moyes received at the lap of honour was tremendous. He is Everton through and through; I don?t think he will leave till he gets that elusive piece of silverware or Kenwright moves out. Onwards Evertonians?
Jake Wilson     Posted 05/06/2011 at 20:03:49   Comments (49)

Transfer Trash Talk #3

Ipswich's Connor Wickham is one player that we really should be looking at trying to sign this summer. Ok, he may well cost a lot of money (that we don't have), potentially about £15m, but we should be trying to break the bank for this lad.

He has not long turned 18 and potentially looks a very good player. He scored the winning goal for England against Spain in the European U-17 Championship Final in 2010 and was named Football League Young Player of the Year for 2011. He has scored numerous goals for Ipswich in the Championship and already represented England at U-21 level.

He looks a complete all-round striker after scoring goals by going on amazing dribbles as well as with his head and both feet. He has already attracted interest from the 'big' clubs but Everton should offer him first-team Premier League football straight away rather than a few League Cup appearances at someone like Arsenal or Tottenham and maybe sitting on the bench for a couple of seasons.

I believe Everton can offer these Football League youngsters like Wickham and Chamberlain a lot more than the bigger teams, even if we are just a career stepping stone for a couple of seasons because we can guarantee first-team football and their wages won't break our bank like established stars.

£15m may be a hell of a lot of money to a club like Everton but we desperately need a top class striker, and if he is a success, we could sell him on in a couple of years for about three times as much. The money could be raised by selling Bily and Heitinga, together with the James Vaughan money, should be enough.

Surely this is a better option than the free signings of Bothroyd (29) and Klose (33).

Matthew Lovekin     Posted 04/06/2011 at 08:08:05   Comments (49)

Landon Donovan

Every day like clockwork I peruse all articles pertaining to EFC (I assume like 99% of other readers also), not just here, but all over the Internet.

Each day, it seems, there is a different player, a different club, another investor associated with our team. But, one name that has not surfaced as yet, is that of Landon Donovan.

Now I know that there are some people who do not rate him as highly as others; however, the crux is that, for the ten-game period that he was with us, I thought he acquitted himself rather well.

Is he the next coming? No I don't think so, but, he is proven at the Premier League level, and, contrary to belief he will not cost an arm and a leg.

He has, according to reports, a clause in his contract that would allow him to move to a European club after the 2010-11 season. There is no mention of the amount of money involved, but, one would have to assume it would be in the region of $7 to 9 million.

When asked recently on Fox Sports if he was interested in returning to the premier league, his answer was, "only if it was with Everton".

The question is, do we want to pay that kind of money for a 29-year-old (he turned 29 in March), attacking winger/midfielder? I would say yes. He knows the club, knows the manager, knows the players, and loves the fans.

There is speculation on who we might get rid off this offseason, Yobo, Yakubu, Heitinga (a mistake in my opinion), Bily and Vaughan, who is already gone. With the money we should get for these players, £10/12 million, why not spend it on someone who is proven to our system and club?

Who would you rather have in the starting line up on the right side of midfield/forward, Anichebe or Donavan? I believe that a combination of Beckford, Saha, Cahill, Vellios etc can be used this upcoming season to good effect. (Just do not ask me on what I base the supposition...) Therefore, with maybe a loan signing or two, not break the bank, and, get a proven provider in that would supply more chances than we have had for the forward players in the past couple of years.

COYFBB
Jimmy Daly     Posted 03/06/2011 at 13:42:36   Comments (59)

Everton wins the Super 8

Can't say i have noticed this mentioned earlier so i'll give it a go.

Comparing the top8 teams in the Premier League this season and their meetings against each other, we rather surprisingly come out on top. Meaning, we are this season the best club when playing the top sides. Not bad for a mediocre squad.

1. Everton ? Home: 6-1-1; Away; 1-5-1 ? 27 points
2. Chelsea ? Home: 6-1-1; Away: 2-1-4 ? 26 points
3. Man Utd ? Home: 7-0-0; Away: 0-3-4 ? 24 points
4. Arsenal ? Home: 4-2-1; Away: 2-3-2 ? 23 points
5. Liverpool ? Home: 4-2-1; Away: 2-1-4 ? 21 points
6. Tottenham ? Home: 2-5-0; Away 3-0-4 ? 20 points
7. Man City ? Home 3-2-2; Away: 1-3-3 ? 17 points
8. Fulham ? Home 0-4-3; Away 0-1-6 ? 5 points

Well, at least we can confirm where our season got pissed away in a sea of misery...

Please Note:? Unfortunately, Paul has made some mistakes with this table, which is not correct. See the ensuing discussion, specifically #4, #6, #8, & #10 ? The Editor


Paul Olsen     Posted 01/06/2011 at 13:08:36   Comments (47)

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